Suggest an SUV with a bit of economy

[butt9986]

Hi guys,
I have been asking you guys questions about SUVs about a year ago, sadly all my plans crashed and burned because of some money matters. Now a friend is willing to get an SUV and asked me some questions(asked me because he saw me do my research)
sadly i dont know enough as my information was for my own reasons and his reasons for the SUV are different.

1- Now the priority is something that might sell well in 5 years. (Good resale)
2- The price range should be a maximum of 1.7 million Rupees (17 lacs) That is probably till the last paisa he can spend on a vehicle.
3- Should fit 6-7 people easily.
4- Might just be the daily runner.
5- Fuel Average should ideally be 8 or more on diesel and 7 or more on petrol (I have no clue how that 7 and 8 figure was generated by him)
6- Must be an SUV. (sorry to those guys who love to suggest APV here)
7- Should be comfortable for Lahore - Islamabad drives (Motorway)
8- Off Roading is not the intended purpose but say it might be done once a year (friends being stupid, going in empty plots on a rainy day) that barely qualifies as off roading
9- Spare parts availability should not be a problem.
10- Maintenance should not be too much of a problem in terms of money. (I STEPPED BACK FROM TLC80 AFTER THE 10 LITRES OF ENGINE OIL COSTING ABOUT 15K EVERY TWO MONTHS THING BEFORE I COMPLETELY CANCELLED THE SUV)

Now given my knowledge I suggested him Hilux SURF the 1995-2002 model because it does not look too old in terms of shape and i was told its diesel gives about 10km/l BUT IT IS KNOWN FOR ROLLING OVER.

Please give your input ignoring my SURF suggestion.

AS A BONUS, CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN HOW WOULD THE WITHHOLDING TAX AFFECT HIM, A NON FILER, MOST 90s MODEL SUVs ARE REGISTERED IN 2005-2015 YEARS. HOW MUCH TAX WILL HE HAVE TO PAY IN ANY ASSUMED REGISTRATION YEAR.

HE WANTS A TROUBLE FREE SUV FOR HIS FAMILY, NOT A REASON TO EARN FOR HIS MECHANIC.
Thank you.

I would appreciate if you could shed some light on the topic @demonoid

[ali15144]

PAjero 1993 2800cc diesel onwards maybe an exceed model auto with seven seats. Can get it below 13 lac. Spend the rest bringing it upto his taste

[butt9986]

PAjero 1993 2800cc diesel onwards maybe an exceed model auto with seven seats. Can get it below 13 lac. Spend the rest bringing it upto his taste

thank you for such a quick response but he kind of wants something to buy and drive. Does not have enough knowledge or spare time to buy something below the requirements and bring it up to the mark.
So a suggestion that requires the least work to be done on it, or be available in good desired condition.
(does not want days, weeks or months in a workshop to get it up to the mark might sum it up the best way)

[ali15144]

thank you for such a quick response but he kind of wants something to buy and drive. Does not have enough knowledge or spare time to buy something below the requirements and bring it up to the mark.
So a suggestion that requires the least work to be done on it, or be available in good desired condition.
(does not want days, weeks or months in a workshop to get it up to the mark might sum it up the best way)

1996 prado tx with a bit of negotiations will come in 17 lac but again will need a lac or two to get the mechanical fit and change tyres and stuff

[butt9986]

1996 prado tx with a bit of negotiations will come in 17 lac but again will need a lac or two to get the mechanical fit and change tyres and stuff

TBH, your previous suggestion of a Pajero seemed much more realistic. One always should keep 100K in hand after buying a new car for the little this and that expenditure. Let's see what other options appear here.

[jehanzebnasir]

Pajero is the most comfortable SUV in this price range but you have double check as most Pajeros are body change, Secondly if it's abused you can't make it fine, or in a single sentence mitsubishi pajero is like honda you need to be careful while using it, whereas toyota is a rough and tough machine, just got my second suv after one year of search, and I am quiet happy with it.

It's a 99 surf SSRG with 1KZTE, embassy auctioned, giving 8km/l in city and 10-11 on highway/motorway

In the end I would like to suggest that it's the overall package that matters in each suv, means if you are getting good pajero 2.8 without body change and in good price go for it, if in same scenario you find good surf don't think twice, prado in this price would be real pain as it would be abused in elections

[Emptyskull]

Hi,

I don't have as much experience as our friends above but it seems a tough situation here.

You want a car which is reliable like new car but you what you will get is 15-20 yr old car.

Plus you want to use it as a Daily Driver. I think the budget is low. And you don't want to spend any money on top of it also.

TBH I would recommend a Corolla for his driving needs as it has affordability, reliability and resale. I know its not an SUV and I am sorry for that but tell your friend again before he puts his money in drain.

After a month or two his passion for SUV will be gone and he will regret his decision. I dont see that he is a passionate lover for offroading and SUVs.

I drive an 80 series that I bought from Pakwheels. Took me a fortune to bring it to my own driving style. Although it was use able before. I use it on daily basis. Although the fuel economy is good but associated costs are really high. E.g, oil changes, maintenance, after sometime you want to add accessories to it as well. Everything is costly. The car performs really good but still I cannot trust a 25 year old car for emergency purposes. In short, a sports utility vehicle should be your 2nd car, not first at all. (if its brand new that's a different story)

And a 15-20 yr old car will require at least a monthly visit to Mechanic. So my brotherly advice is stay away from it unless you have a dedicated budget per month for this kind of car.

Cheers

Bilal

[sherwan_88]

Realistically not one latest SUV falls in the desired budget, you are left atleast a 15 year old car at best.
Toyota Land Cruiser 80 series is a bulletproof option in all aspects. The only drawback is the cost of parts and its size if it matters.

Toyota Prado 90 Series is a all rounder and one the best second hand sellers in the market. Surprisingly they fetch more cash than the Flagship Land Cruiser. The only drawback i see in it is the drive it self. It's a bit wobbly for my personal taste.

Toyota Surf is by far the most perfect fit and the most popular among beginning enthusiasts. Economical, Reliable and Compact.
It drives like a car yet it is a capable 4x4. The drawback to it is the lack of space inside. Its really hard to convince someone to get into the tail of the Toyota Surf. At maximum you can host 6 people inside it including the driver.

Mitsubishi Pajero. Its practically the underdog. Its spacious yet just not enough, it drives very well just not enough power even with the 2.8 Turbo Diesel. Reliability has been a problem touted on a much grander scale by our automotive society and mechanics. Its a different breed and requires much more attention while being worked on unlike the Toyota's. Parts are cheap and abundant.
Drawbacks come down to car as a package in whole. It tries hard to package Economy, Drivability, Luxury and Off-Road capability in whole. And that's where it practically goes wrong for our land. Then there is re-sale, which is quite an endeavour since nobody wants the Infamous Pajero.

I personally am ecstatic while driving a Pajero because it serves all my needs and lives upto my demands, but i do not forget its limits too. In that aspect i for one would always prefer the Pajero but for the average Joe of the land of the pure. Not so so.

Nissan Patrols are just menacing. Tremendous space, awesome comfort. Great off-capability. Yet they suffer from their size. Its a bit hard to navigate on the traditional narrow paths. Second hand parts are very hard to find and Aftermarket ones are not cheap. But they command the road with their sheer size and old fashioned looks.

If i state an opinion based on the the points mentioned above. Clearly it would be the Toyota 90 series Prado. It would fit all the required criteria. The only problem, you would have to dish out more cash for a decent ride. 1.7 Mil is just good enough for a beat up 90 series Prado.

[butt9986]

Hi,

I don't have as much experience as our friends above but it seems a tough situation here.

You want a car which is reliable like new car but you what you will get is 15-20 yr old car.

Plus you want to use it as a Daily Driver. I think the budget is low. And you don't want to spend any money on top of it also.

TBH I would recommend a Corolla for his driving needs as it has affordability, reliability and resale. I know its not an SUV and I am sorry for that but tell your friend again before he puts his money in drain.

After a month or two his passion for SUV will be gone and he will regret his decision. I dont see that he is a passionate lover for offroading and SUVs.

I drive an 80 series that I bought from Pakwheels. Took me a fortune to bring it to my own driving style. Although it was use able before. I use it on daily basis. Although the fuel economy is good but associated costs are really high. E.g, oil changes, maintenance, after sometime you want to add accessories to it as well. Everything is costly. The car performs really good but still I cannot trust a 25 year old car for emergency purposes. In short, a sports utility vehicle should be your 2nd car, not first at all. (if its brand new that's a different story)

And a 15-20 yr old car will require at least a monthly visit to Mechanic. So my brotherly advice is stay away from it unless you have a dedicated budget per month for this kind of car.

Cheers

Bilal

you make complete sense, I followed your topic and it showed how much you drove here and there for the J80 of yours but made it perfect eventually. If I am not mistaken. you bought yours around 1.3 and spent about 4 lacs on it maybe more to just make it better without any accessories added. Now I have about one month spare that is the whole january. Would you say it would be worth buying and building a TLC HDJ80 to make it up to par within a month for my neighbor and childhood friend if i offer to spend time in the workshop. I dont mind getting grease on my clothes, or simply getting myself in grease.

[butt9986]

Pajero is the most comfortable SUV in this price range but you have double check as most Pajeros are body change, Secondly if it's abused you can't make it fine, or in a single sentence mitsubishi pajero is like honda you need to be careful while using it, whereas toyota is a rough and tough machine, just got my second suv after one year of search, and I am quiet happy with it.

It's a 99 surf SSRG with 1KZTE, embassy auctioned, giving 8km/l in city and 10-11 on highway/motorway

In the end I would like to suggest that it's the overall package that matters in each suv, means if you are getting good pajero 2.8 without body change and in good price go for it, if in same scenario you find good surf don't think twice, prado in this price would be real pain as it would be abused in elections

seems like I should suggest him to get a Toyota instead of a Pajero. I believe he will have to go back a model and get the older surf maybe.

[butt9986]

Realistically not one latest SUV falls in the desired budget, you are left atleast a 15 year old car at best.
Toyota Land Cruiser 80 series is a bulletproof option in all aspects. The only drawback is the cost of parts and its size if it matters.

Toyota Prado 90 Series is a all rounder and one the best second hand sellers in the market. Surprisingly they fetch more cash than the Flagship Land Cruiser. The only drawback i see in it is the drive it self. It's a bit wobbly for my personal taste.

Toyota Surf is by far the most perfect fit and the most popular among beginning enthusiasts. Economical, Reliable and Compact.
It drives like a car yet it is a capable 4x4. The drawback to it is the lack of space inside. Its really hard to convince someone to get into the tail of the Toyota Surf. At maximum you can host 6 people inside it including the driver.

Mitsubishi Pajero. Its practically the underdog. Its spacious yet just not enough, it drives very well just not enough power even with the 2.8 Turbo Diesel. Reliability has been a problem touted on a much grander scale by our automotive society and mechanics. Its a different breed and requires much more attention while being worked on unlike the Toyota's. Parts are cheap and abundant.
Drawbacks come down to car as a package in whole. It tries hard to package Economy, Drivability, Luxury and Off-Road capability in whole. And that's where it practically goes wrong for our land. Then there is re-sale, which is quite an endeavour since nobody wants the Infamous Pajero.

I personally am ecstatic while driving a Pajero because it serves all my needs and lives upto my demands, but i do not forget its limits too. In that aspect i for one would always prefer the Pajero but for the average Joe of the land of the pure. Not so so.

Nissan Patrols are just menacing. Tremendous space, awesome comfort. Great off-capability. Yet they suffer from their size. Its a bit hard to navigate on the traditional narrow paths. Second hand parts are very hard to find and Aftermarket ones are not cheap. But they command the road with their sheer size and old fashioned looks.

If i state an opinion based on the the points mentioned above. Clearly it would be the Toyota 90 series Prado. It would fit all the required criteria. The only problem, you would have to dish out more cash for a decent ride. 1.7 Mil is just good enough for a beat up 90 series Prado.

your reply is a wonderful one. So Toyota seems to be winning here. the max we can arrange over 1.7 is one lac that too borrowed without any issues though. so say 1.8 mil total. Can he get a good surf, that would be reliable and economical too?

[umarxe]

Realistically not one latest SUV falls in the desired budget, you are left atleast a 15 year old car at best.
Toyota Land Cruiser 80 series is a bulletproof option in all aspects. The only drawback is the cost of parts and its size if it matters.

Toyota Prado 90 Series is a all rounder and one the best second hand sellers in the market. Surprisingly they fetch more cash than the Flagship Land Cruiser. The only drawback i see in it is the drive it self. It's a bit wobbly for my personal taste.

Toyota Surf is by far the most perfect fit and the most popular among beginning enthusiasts. Economical, Reliable and Compact.
It drives like a car yet it is a capable 4x4. The drawback to it is the lack of space inside. Its really hard to convince someone to get into the tail of the Toyota Surf. At maximum you can host 6 people inside it including the driver.

Mitsubishi Pajero. Its practically the underdog. Its spacious yet just not enough, it drives very well just not enough power even with the 2.8 Turbo Diesel. Reliability has been a problem touted on a much grander scale by our automotive society and mechanics. Its a different breed and requires much more attention while being worked on unlike the Toyota's. Parts are cheap and abundant.
Drawbacks come down to car as a package in whole. It tries hard to package Economy, Drivability, Luxury and Off-Road capability in whole. And that's where it practically goes wrong for our land. Then there is re-sale, which is quite an endeavour since nobody wants the Infamous Pajero.

I personally am ecstatic while driving a Pajero because it serves all my needs and lives upto my demands, but i do not forget its limits too. In that aspect i for one would always prefer the Pajero but for the average Joe of the land of the pure. Not so so.

Nissan Patrols are just menacing. Tremendous space, awesome comfort. Great off-capability. Yet they suffer from their size. Its a bit hard to navigate on the traditional narrow paths. Second hand parts are very hard to find and Aftermarket ones are not cheap. But they command the road with their sheer size and old fashioned looks.

If i state an opinion based on the the points mentioned above. Clearly it would be the Toyota 90 series Prado. It would fit all the required criteria. The only problem, you would have to dish out more cash for a decent ride. 1.7 Mil is just good enough for a beat up 90 series Prado.

@sherwan_88

Very comprehensive and decisive indeed. In a single post thread is almost concluded which could go to several pages following a series of back and fourth questions/answers.

Just one thing I am missing here which is RKR, please share your opinion about TLC RKR.
Waiting impatiently.

[umarxe]

@butt9986

by the way if your friend can compromise just one point #3 (Should fit 6-7 people easily) then Jimny can be a perfect fit for all other needs. Low price, low maintenance cost, easy on pocket, high on performance, best daily runner among SUVS etc etc and much more.

[sherwan_88]

@sherwan_88

Very comprehensive and decisive indeed. In a single post thread is almost concluded which could go to several pages following a series of back and fourth questions/answers.

Just one thing I am missing here which is RKR, please share your opinion about TLC RKR.
Waiting impatiently.

The 70 series is and always has been commercial vehicle from its inception on the drawing board.
How do we define commercial? In Pakistan "Commercial" is something of your average people mover.

That is not the case for the 70 Series or any 4x4. "Commercial" 4x4s are vehicles which are go any-where vehicles. Getting from Point A to B is the job and the design should do as best it can. Luxury and Comfort is the of the least priority. Back since the 1950's up to late 1980s everything 4x4 was just a go anywhere vehicle and not a "SUV" coined by the introduction of Luxury as a priority in 4x4s.

In that respect Commercial 4x4s are designed to be absolute get there vehicles. Highly Reliable, Less moving parts and perks, highly simple power packs with their drivetrains, leaf sprung solid axles.

So the 70 series is basically an improved 40 series which in fact was a larger design based around the famous Willys MB/Ford GP.

In my opinion it is the only Original 4x4 on Toyotas current portfolio. Its not a SUV. Keep that in mind but it will surely take you to every place on this beautiful earth you can imagine.

[butt9986]

thank you guys. He has decided to look for a Pajero. as it appeared to be the only decent option meeting most of his requirements. I'll respond here when he actually buys it.

[umarxe]

The 70 series is and always has been commercial vehicle from its inception on the drawing board.
How do we define commercial? In Pakistan "Commercial" is something of your average people mover.

That is not the case for the 70 Series or any 4x4. "Commercial" 4x4s are vehicles which are go any-where vehicles. Getting from Point A to B is the job and the design should do as best it can. Luxury and Comfort is the of the least priority. Back since the 1950's up to late 1980s everything 4x4 was just a go anywhere vehicle and not a "SUV" coined by the introduction of Luxury as a priority in 4x4s.

In that respect Commercial 4x4s are designed to be absolute get there vehicles. Highly Reliable, Less moving parts and perks, highly simple power packs with their drivetrains, leaf sprung solid axles.

So the 70 series is basically an improved 40 series which in fact was a larger design based around the famous Willys MB/Ford GP.

In my opinion it is the only Original 4x4 on Toyotas current portfolio. Its not a SUV. Keep that in mind but it will surely take you to every place on this beautiful earth you can imagine.

Right right right, got the point. Great stuff.

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[butt9986]

A very well and FIT Condition Intercooler (Pajero) of 1994~1998 Model with all documents clean & complete, can be found at the budget of PKR 12~14 lakh. Its more spacious than Prado.
Prefer to find one with V6 Petrol engine with Automatic transmissions (Mitsubishi V6 comes in 3000cc & 3400cc also). As long as you are feeding good quality fuel and other lubricants to this machine, its not going to give you any hard times in years.
And if aim to get its best fuel average on M2, then just drive it at 100 km/h speed.

(but jeeps are hard to drive at speed of 100 km/h. Min. 140~150 km/h speed gives some inner peace but as far as you can keep yourself away from speed cameras. lol)

I might be wrong but economy and a v6 dont really go together do they?

[Emptyskull]

I think an intercooled turboed engine should yield better economy as compared to same non intercooled non turboed engine.

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[tintin1]

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