Recommended Engine Oil for 1GD 2.8 Toyota Hilix Revo

Aviator_pk (Aviator_pk) 2018-10-08 07:08:34 +0500 #1

I am driving Toyota Hilux Revo 2.8 Diesel. Delivered in may 2018.
I have been going to toyota dealership for mantainence. They used petron 20w50 in my Revo. Honestly i trusted them blindly. Recently i wanted to switch from toyota dealership and start mantaining car on my own. So i read owners manual and it says recommended SAE oil grade is 5w30. Wondering why is toyota using 20w50? I m a big fan of liqui moly. Using in my Toyota Aqua 2016(0w20) and in my Altis Grande 2015(5w40).
I need suggestion, which oil grade to use from liqui moly. And still wandering why is toyota using 20w50.

P.S. This 1GD is a new engine in pakistani market. Indus motors has done road tests before launching it here. There must be a reason for using 20w50. Shall i find same grade in liqui moly or follow Owners Manual?

babarhyd (babarhyd) 2018-10-08 09:19:34 +0500 #2

Follow owners manual and go for 5W30 on next oil change. As per Toyota fanboys 20W50 is heavenly potion which even extends your life if one uses it as cooking oil.

stn.dvt 2018-10-08 09:40:09 +0500 #3

Well said.

Aviator_pk (Aviator_pk) 2018-10-09 01:24:10 +0500 #4

Thanks alot for making up my mind. Went to my liqui moly dealer.

This 5w30 was available but API and other codes were not matching with the ones specified in owners manual. So i used LM 5w40 fully synthetic, which i use in Grande 1.8.

Aviator_pk (Aviator_pk) 2018-10-09 01:40:16 +0500 #5

Just to make this thread more productive for anybody else looking for 1GD engine oils.
I bought this 5w40

Total oil capacity with fuel filter in revo is 7.5 litres. Got 2 bottles. Each for Rupees 5,500. And the guy recommended me to drive this for 8000kms.

Aviator_pk (Aviator_pk) 2018-10-09 01:45:59 +0500 #6

These are the oil grades recommended by toyota in owners manual.

haseeb.basharat 2018-10-09 09:17:52 +0500 #7

This is not fully synthetic as well.
Only 5w40 synthoil hightech is fully synthetic liqui moly in Pakistan. The one you shared in another photo.

babarhyd (babarhyd) 2018-10-09 09:25:08 +0500 #8

Excellent choice. Run it for 12000kms no problems. Just remember to use genuine oil filter or have it changed at 6000kms with another oil filter.

ehalin (ehalin) 2018-10-09 10:21:24 +0500 #9

You can also use Shell Helix ultra fully synthetic 5w-40 or HX7 semi synthetic 5W-30. These are good choice with respect to availability and cost. Otherwise Mobil 1 0W-40 is the best choice in my opinion. It has a higher temperature range as well as it is imported. Mobil has better specs on paper too.

Taimur92 (Taimur) 2018-10-09 10:39:36 +0500 #10

These are excellent oils indeed however, if you read the label it is only an API-CF oil, which is bare minimum for your diesel car. These synthetics are dual rated but are primarily geared for petrol engines. A diesel specific oil is always better than a synthetic dual-rating petrol engine oil. Even Caltex Delo 400 mgx is API-CJ4 rated which is a lot better than this API CF bare minimum oil.

It's ok if you have already poured this oil now, just continue with the normal change cycle. However, for future oil changes I would recommend you to stick to a diesel scpecifc oil. Some excellent examples are : Mobil 1 Delvac, Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel, Caltex Delo 400mgx.

ehalin (ehalin) 2018-10-09 11:46:11 +0500 #11

These oils are rated ACEA A3/B3 and A3/B4 as well which is the most relevant and up to date rating for these diesel engines. Just keep in mind new Revo has catalytic converter which is sensitive to oil additives. In my opinion it is better not to use additive heavy, HDEO oils like Mobil Delvac or Caltex Delo for newer diesel engines like 1GD. This will keep your cat converter effective for a longer mileage.

If you see specs of Mobil 1 and Mobil Delvac, there is very little difference apart from Sulfated ash may be which is higher in Delvac. Mobil 1 Base Number is even better than Delvac which is 12.6 and this is the most important spec if you are using higher sulfur diesel. This is another reason why I think Mobil 1 is better choice which is also rated exactly as Revos Owners Manual says and has similar viscosity numbers as 5W-30 oils.

Also keep in mind that API ratings for diesels as they progress do not necessarily mean that they are better in engine protection. The newer ones are more focused on avoiding premature failure of environmental protection equipment like, EGRs, cat converters, DPFs or urea injection systems etc. so they may not be necessarily better for Revo 1GD which has only cat converter and EGR but there is no DPF or urea injection system.

ehalin (ehalin) 2018-10-09 11:59:16 +0500 #12

Liqui Moly synthoil 5W-40 is also excellent choice. I have only reservation about its availability. It is available only in major cities like Lahore or Karachi.

Also, there is a misconception created by mistries and that is to change diesel oil after 2500kms. This is not true now a days. Pakistani diesel specs have been improved after 2016 and now diesel sulfur levels being less than 500 ppm means you can safely use any good quality engine oil for more than 5000kms easily.

Taimur92 (Taimur) 2018-10-09 17:53:37 +0500 #13

Well, I agree with most of what you have said regarding the change intervals and oil recommendations, however, the notion that these newer synthetic HDEOs maybe too additive heavy and hence damage the catcon, rings, etc is incorrect. The Delo PDS specifically states that it's perfectly suitable for modern light-duty diesel engines with or without dpf, scr. In fact, it's sulfated ash % and subsequently, TBN is slightly lower than the liqui moly synthoil high-tech. It's CJ-4 and ACEA E9/E7 certification means it supersedes and is backward compatible with API CF and European ACEA B3/B4. And when you're getting it significantly cheaper, I wouldn't mind at all.

My personal inclination towards these modern (semi)synthetic HDEO's is because of the wider coverage and wear protection they may offer, not just because of the total base no. but because of the diesel specific add pack, in case of extremely bad fuel on an unlucky day in rural areas. Otherwise, you are right about the Mobil 1 Delvac vs Mobil 1 comparison. The sulfated ash difference is just 0.1% and they are both excellent choices. I would go with either one I find cheaper and in my desired viscosity. The Mobil 1, Mobil 1 tdt, Delvac 1 and Synthoil high-tech are all more than capable of handling any kind of stress on the 1GD. Also, keep in mind a very high TBN oil may also have a very high sulfated ash % and that could also be damaging to the Catcon.

IMO, the bottom line is these are all excellent choices and you can't go wrong with either one. The decision should be according to one's budget and availability. The Mobil 1 and Synthoil High-tech are both far superior to the Petron and Dezon dino oil Toyota dealers pour in.

Aviator_pk (Aviator_pk) 2018-10-10 05:44:36 +0500 #14

Well I got liqui moly this time. Next time I'll try Mobil 1 and share if any difference.
There is one more thing. I am not able to figure if mine (PKDM) version of 1GD Revo has DPF(diesel particulate filter)? I have no idea where and how to check it.

ehalin (ehalin) 2018-10-10 08:45:46 +0500 #15

In Pakistan 1GD, there is no DPF.

DPF is installed just under the exhaust manifold and/or turbo charger on the right side of the engine wherever it is available.

anon35615524 2018-10-10 09:25:11 +0500 #16

@Aviator_pk

Bro, I would suggest you to just stick with 5w-30 grade / viscosity engine oil, from the next oil change. The manual speaks for itself.

When it is the preferred and recommended oil grade for your vehicle, then why go for 5w-40 (or above) slightly thicker oil grades? (Last 02 sentences in this picture are self-explanatory and speak for themselves)

Now, please refer to this picture regarding oil grades:

API CF-4, CF has been recommended, however, as per https://www.api.org/products-and-services/engine-oil/eolcs-categories-and-classifications/oil-categories#tab_diesel-c-categories , these are obsolete grades. The latest is CK-4, while current grades are CH-4, CI-4, CJ-4 and CK-4.

I don't know, why Toyota has mentioned an obsolete oil grade in this manual?

(CK-4 may not be used in place of CF-4 or CF, however, CH-4, CI-4, CJ-4 are all backward compatible with CF-4 and can be used where CF-4 is required. I would suggest to go for API CJ-4!, if going for API criteria)

Now coming towards ACEA B1, B3, B4, B5, as per https://www.acea.be/uploads/news_documents/ACEA_European_oil_sequences_2016.pdf , these categories are for Gasoline and Diesel Engine Oils with High SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus, Sulphur).

You asked for DPF, for DPF, ACEA has categories C1, C2, C3, C4 and C5. C category stands for Catalyst & GPF/DPF compatible Engine Oils for Gasoline & Diesel Engines with Low SAPS

(If in your car's user manual, ACEA C1-C5 has not been mentioned, it means DPF/GPF realted oil grades does not apply to your engine, and your vehicle may be without DPF/GPF. You just need to stick with ACEA B1, B3, B4, B5)

Coming towards JASO DL-0, as per http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/DH_E1706.pdf , DL-0 classification was added in 2017 (it's one of the most recent and latest).

Just for information of all concerned.
I hope, it all helps. Thank you.

anon35615524 2018-10-10 09:57:57 +0500 #17

Well, if 5w-30 is the recommended and preferred grade as per manual, shouldn't one stick to 5w-30 (instead of going for 0w-40 or 5w-40)?

anon35615524 2018-10-10 10:04:18 +0500 #18

No doubt, but it's Grade is 15w-40! It's an extremely thick oil.
(Source: https://southafrica.chevronlubricants.com/en_ZA/products/products/delo-400-mgx.html )

anon35615524 2018-10-10 10:10:16 +0500 #19

It's also available In Islamabad. For complete list of authorized distributors and availability of products, one may have a look at: http://liquimolypakistan.com/ (it's the only official website of Liqui Moly for Pakistan)

I think it's always better to follow oil manufacturer's recommendations regarding oil change interval (like 2500 Kms, 5000 Kms, 7500 Kms, etc.)

anon35615524 2018-10-10 10:25:07 +0500 #20

Bro, I think, you are mixing up 02 things.

For API CJ-4 and CF, you are right, however, for ACEA, this may not be true:

ACEA A/B Classes are (exclusively) for Gasoline and Light Duty Diesel Engines
ACEA E Class is for Heavy Duty Diesel Engines

(Source: https://www.acea.be/uploads/news_documents/ACEA_European_oil_sequences_2016.pdf )

Car under discussion falls in A/B Category.

It may not be wise to use an engine oil designed for heavy duty diesel engines, in light duty diesel engines!