Mercedes Engine & Spares Import Help

[boyracer786]

Assalamualaikum,

I am from UK and am kind of new to Pakwheels!

I purchased a vintage 70's Mercedes recently from Abbottabad and is currently with my mechanic friend in Islamabad.

I wish to install a more modern diesel engine. I am thinking of the OM606 (3 Liter) or OM605 (2.5 Liter) from the 80's/90's era.

My question: how common are these engines in Pakistan, can you easily obtain them or will I have to import?
If I have to import, can I do so as it will be classed as a used item?

If anyone has some specialist knowledge on this, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Junied

[omersiddiqui5482]

@dayrider

[dayrider]

70's Mercedes

Be a bit more specific as to what it is, a w115 or a w116. What engine did it originally have? What do you intend to do with it?

[boyracer786]

Hello,

it is a W114. It is running with its original 2LT diesel engine.

I want to upgrade this to a TD OM606 or OM605 unit along with an auto gearbox to suit.

My question was how difficult would it be to find such an engine in Pakistan? If I were to import this, how much duty would I have to pay?

From a technical perspective, this is an easy engine swap. What concerns me is the availability of parts in Pakistan.

Thank you

[dayrider]

For starters, Mercedes doesn't come with a Toyota engine. 2lt is a Toyota engine, so no that's not the original engine. Parts are available in scrapyards but I suggest you read up and educate yourself about the car before embarking on such a project. Because if you aren't aware of what has to be done, you throw away lots of money and end up with a botched up car.

[boyracer786]

Hello Dayrider

The 2LT I am referring to the engine capacity not the Toyota 2L-T engine. It would be quite obvious if a Toyota engine had been fitted..

Any how my concern is not what is under the hood currently as I am planning to retrofit a more reliable engine. This type of conversion has been done may times over around the world by competent diy-ers. Its difficult but not impossible.

The workshop is currently researching what engine/parts are currently available in Pakistan. My original question was just this and advice on importing used parts from abroad.

I know the model w114/w115 probably better than most. I chose this model due to the mass availability of spares around the world. What I do dislike is the engine performance which is the only challenging task in this project.

Thanks

[anon35615524]

Wa Alaikum Salam.

Brother my sincere suggestions to stay away from any such adventures, rather misadventure.

If your choice had been a Japanese, like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc. then no problem, but when it comes to Germans; Mercedes, things can turn quite tricky.

[boyracer786]

Salaam brother,

I understand the challenges but OM606/OM605 is commonly used in other body shell. In EU it is very common for such engine swaps.

Can you advise on any concerns? The workshop does not think its such a big job.

[dayrider]

Please name your workshop. Parts are easily available at Haji camp and ijp road. But there are too many confident incompetent mechanics around these parts.

[haqueasfandyar1]

@dayrider sir please name those 2 as I'm also in search of one good mechanic for my Benz

[boyracer786]

Hello Dayrider

Workshop is Pioneer Garage & Restoration, located in i9 ISB. Main person is Malik Sami.

3335107729

He is not a Merc specialist but knows a lot regarding any most classics built pre-1990. He restored an 68 Oldsmobile with a S500 V8 with the 5G Gearbox.

He was recommended by someone who has physically seen his work. A popular travelling youtuber even had this Russain campervan modded by him which is documented in one of his videos.

[boyracer786]

what merc do you own?

[dayrider]

Edited which Benz do you own

[dayrider]

I have been in isb for around 18 years now, in the car scene around a decade, never have I ever heard of this workshop or it's work.
So I don't know what they are, but Mercedes aren't easy to handle, they are quite different then the usual thing cup of tea and have many unique ways to do things. But since you want a restomod, I can't think of who would want to do thst

[anon36782927]

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[boyracer786]

I mean I am not here to advertise his business but feedback from people has been good. He has even worked on the only Pullman limo in Pakistan so his creditials stack up. For someone to resurrect a beat out rust bucket 60s American car and restore it with a s500 drivechain is quite a feat. Regardless what you think of that conversion its the ability and craftsmanship that I admire.
I'm the new generation of classic car owners. We prefer the exterior looks and interior feel but and not fond of a 60s drivechain and the unrealibilites that come with it. I cannot think of anything worse than a struggling unit that takes 16 secs to reach 60mph. I'm not a purist sorry to disappoint. Car modification has been around for decades, it's a way you can personalize your car cosmetically or mechanically.
Restomods are getting more popular here in EU are these types of conversions are very doable. The aim is not to go too modern, that is when restomods become difficult. I am happy with an ecu controlled om605 and a non ecu 722.4 transmission. I cannot see how this is so out of the ordinary. Regarding the rest of the w114, parts are readily available and straight forward.

Anyone is welcome to view the car and its progress in ISB.

As a British Pakistani my aim to make a statement with this car and show how talented our nation is. I could have easily done this restoration in a cheap EU country like Poland. So please any assistance and positive suggestions are welcome.

[dayrider]

Trims and cosmetic bits of the w114 are a bit rare. The engine isn't an issue, can be easily sourced, that gearbox was next to impossible to find a few months back, but don't know if it was just then or usually like that. Otherwise if you are satisfied with the craftsmanship, that's all that matters. You can easily source this engine from syed rahim

[Xulfiqar]

He restored an 68 Oldsmobile with a S500 V8 with the 5G Gearbox.

so he had a standalone ECU, EGS, gearstick, EIS, key, and GWM (if later model - MBD2) from an S class - and it had no problem with the missing input from the ABS/ESP module? or he also installed the ESP module along with the steering input yaw sensor, body roll sensor, G sensor, wheel speed sensors?

and when he installed all that - the GWM/EIS (depending on type) had no issues seeing a dead K-bus network?

sounds like a fairy tale

unless he installed the old M119 with a haltech/motec along with the 722.5 from a very early R129 - (thats a mechanical swap) - but why would anyone do that into an olds from 1968.

[Xulfiqar]

ecu controlled om605

why?

you can buy an older mechanical pump OM605 or 606 - it only has a small cubey ECU to control idle speed and another to switch the intake flaps - which is easy to install anyway - but you will need to cut the front of the car off (make it modular) for the 606 as the engine bay you are working with is microscopic compared to the W124/210 etc it usually came with.

[Xulfiqar]

how talented our nation is

our nation is still stuck with oxy acetylene welding.

let that sink in!

not to mention the rust cancer that affects all W114/115 globally.