Honda cars with B-series or K-series engine

[hyperboleesk]

Salaam, I want to know if there are/were any Honda cars (Civic, Accord, or otherwise) in Pakistan that came with a B-series or K-series engine in their stock version.

And in general, where can I find precise details (exact engine model, etc) on the Pakistani Honda models? Pakwheels spec sheets are good but have some pieces of information missing, including the exact engine model.

Regards

[Hassan1991]

Walaikum Assalam
No B series ever came.
You cannot find any imported B series honda in stock form either. All swapped.
Accord CL7 came with k20 and CL9 with k24. Both were imported never locally assembled.
1992-1995 came with Carby D15 locally.
1996-2000 came with D15Z4 and D16Y6.
2001-2005 came with D15Y3 and D16W9.
Rest of the local civics came with same engine series as other countries.

[hyperboleesk]

Thanks. How feasible is it to swap a B-series or K-series engine into a post-1996 vti civic in Pakistan?

[Hassan1991]

At present k series is getting out out hands.
Parts are getting scarce. Manuals are not available etc etc.
Same with B series but it's much more easy to deal with.

[arslan.v8]

Pretty easy job swapping a B series in an EG/EK chassis. The hardest part is getting hold of a clean engine with a matching transmission. For EK (considering you already have engine/gear), you need 2 new mounts, some additional wiring, a new clutch cylinder and new axles. You can use your original wiring with some modifications, and a P08 ecu (or almost any JDM/USDM vtec ecu) that you will have to get chipped. You might need to adjust your shifter rods too.

With K series in an EK, you will need to alter almost everything ahead of the firewall. Considering the cost of the K engine and parts, this is an expensive route.

[hyperboleesk]

Yes, the K-swap would also likely mean that I would lose AC and power steering (or so I've heard); which is why I want to go for the B-swap, but I don't know how I'd source the engine and the other parts. I've heard about some kabaris selling K20/K24 occasionally, but haven't come across the B-series yet.

Secondly, is the info you provided on the B-swap applicable across all B-series engines, B16-B20? How much would you say the process tends to vary between models/displacements?

[Hassan1991]

No.
You can keep both power steering and AC with k series.
B16-B20 will have minor difference in mounts location. Same with k20 and k24.

[hyder_m29]

Thailand model accords came with k24a4

[nfssaad]

there are some facebook pages.. mostly KPK side..

heres an old post i came across, B16A4, 174Hp engine

you could check with them

[arslan.v8]

Sourcing depends on where you live, you can still find these engines in Lahore, Pindi and Peshawar. With B, you can have AC and PS on factory settings (no/slight modifications required).

Yes, all B series are the same, except the B20A which is an early 90s Accord motor, that cannot be swapped into this chassis. This info is for B16/18/20.

[arslan.v8]

Be wary of buying from this dude, I have given him alooot of business before, his parts now are way overpriced and shit. Had to rebuild any block/head bought from him. The last thing I bought from him was a P08 which was (a) non vtec (which he didn't know about and (b) was fried. Had to return back to him, where he replaced it with another fried ecu.

Advise to OP: Do not buy these things online!

[Hassan1991]

That's how online dealers operate.
One shop keeper owns the part. Each "online dealer" aka "shouqeen" will share it's pictures on their page or group irrespective to the city but, ofcourse in different angles and prices. Then the earliest one get's the payback.
Between he started as an agent, get's a small cut in every part now he Upgraded.

[arslan.v8]

Yeah, Waqas was (and I think still is) an agent, partnered with Zain. They've opened a workshop also I reckon. But they still do not have any inventory of their own, they still source parts from shops and sell at exorbitant prices, and as per the demand/order. They still rarely have in depth knowledge about a part. The difference in price and quality of parts when you personally go there to buy is huge.

[nfssaad]

pretty much the story of every shop............

[hyperboleesk]

@Hassan1991 As far as I can tell, K-swapping an EK necessitates the use of kits like this and this if one wants to retain AC and PS, which have a combined cost of more than USD500. Unless you know how to work around having to get one of these kits?

[Hassan1991]

No. You don't, i have swapped k24 in EK with ac back in 2019's. That was k24a3 so no power steering pump.
You do need EG subframe and control arms.
It is a very easy swap. If you know the basics.