Altis 1.6 Manual Dual VVTi vs Gli 1.3 Manual VVTi which has better fuel economy

[hassanraza01935247]

Considering 1.6 Manual (6F,1R) is Dual VVTi, better weight to power ratio as compared to 1.3 Gli (5F,1R) which is VVTi on intake end only, variant (discontinued now), both dont have ACIS, so considering all these specs wanted to know the fuel averages ppl are getting.
I have Gli 2014 (old shape) manual (doesnt matter much as new shape just has lil extra weight), gives me 15 Km/L in city (Lahore), if i drive in economy freak mode, 13 to 13.5 Km/L if i just be lil careful and 11 if no care at all. revving above 3k kills the economy but keeping between something like 2.5-2.7K rpm is the sweet spot, below and above really kills it.
As for long route, 120 km to 130Km 13.5 Km/L on motorway whereas on GT Road type drive with foot management gives like 14 - 14.5 Km/L... flooring it above 130 Km economy drops like hell and as revvs top u.
My understanding is altis 1.6 manual with 6 F, is for sure going to give much higher economy on long at higher speeds too, as 6 F should ensure capping on revvs.... with higher torque rating it should be giving better results. as for in city drive, i am not sure but i think it should be giving same average as Gli 1.3 m considering Gli suffers from torque limitation at lower rpms... plus the added benefit of dual vvti....
Will appreciate if any expert can help and correct me in my observation. looking to switch to altis 1.6 manual as auto one is with ECT crap ( not sure but i think its a 4 speed one), plus i prefer manual any day of the week over auto unless the car is having much higher HP/ torque rating...
please note, i know 1.6 the chass factor and all but lets stick to the query between
Note: Gli 1.3 m and altis 1.6 m both have same tyres and rim type (Euro 195/65/R15- with steel rims)

just to add i am not an economy freak, i love racing around,1.3 manual aint bad but limits u as speed crosses 100km...

between 1.8 manual one is lil out of my budget but anyone has and idea about it can share too but i think it should be having more chass factor with slighly lower fuel economy or maybe the (ACIS) factor helps to cover the gap...

Thanks in advance for helping out...

[pwuser161322600493]

GLi 1.3 coz its 1.3 its huge difference in fuel economy but diminishes as you go further I mean 1.8

[hassanraza01935247]

I think its not the case of CCs in our discussion, alot of other factors play in a role... like i mentioned in my initial post... have u driven 1.6 manual or know someone who owns it? gli 1.3 manual has some issue that mentioned tat limit the possible gains in context to CC factor u mentioned... those are some serious issues thats why opened a thread on it.

[aziz.rehan]

Sir I have driven previous shape gli it's pick is really good.Much better than new gli.Economy wise it give 12 km/l in city.Don,t know about 1.6.

[hassanraza01935247]

OK Thanks bro. u r right gli 1.3 manual old shape has slightly better pick owing to weight difference but nothing major.

[aziz.rehan]

And road grip of 10th generation is also better

[Sarkaar]

1.6 can give you better mileage when loaded and on high speed 120+ for sure... ect 4 speed isnt crap either, with 1.6 it is reasonably well..i suggest you to test drive it... in this shape plz dont buy 1.3 its tiny engine compared to the body... i hear engine screaming when people rev it with load and uphill...you don't hear any screaming noise with 1.6

[hassanraza01935247]

actually ur analysis for 1.3 is spot on coz engine is kind of small if car is loaded and especially if u r talking about uphill coz that is where torque rating shines but 1.3 doesnt have much to offer in lower rpms thus u need to rev up to high torque sweet spot window thus the screaming... it wont let u down dere but will be screaming and gulping fuel in tat window...

as for 1.6 with 4 speed ect it might be an ok choice within city as the algorithm manages lower rpms at lower speeds early shifts to higher gears and quick down as soon as possible while managing lower RPMs to the max unless u throttle down.... but once u pick up speed or have to drive at motorway speeds or above that is where the algo fails thus the fuel economy gets lower, as opposed to 6 or 7 speed auto ones.... good within city between... also in city it will let u feel like it rocks in case u wanna push it.... same story for it...

but my question is regarding 1.6 manual, i am well aware of 1.3 and all its shortcoming and strong suits...wont mind being corrected by some experienced guy.... happy to learn.... just wanna know about manual 1.6 with 7 speed (6+1) and its feel, insight from someone who has driven one or owns one.... theoretically i can deduce alot but regrading how in realtime its working and how true my assumptions about it are before i decide to switch to it... to weather its worth it in regards to upgrading from my current 10th gen Manual 1.3 gli tat is just okish and all... a good transmission can do wonders between....

All the exp guys help me out here...

[Sarkaar]

My initial statement was about 6 speed manual...i have kept 1.6 auto so i was also letting you know that shifting is not bad at all, infact much better from 1.5 auto city, i have kept both.... i have not kept 1.6 manual but for sure its a much better ride with not so much overall difference of fuel economy compared to 1.3 due to better power to weight ratio.

How much do you travel on average a month, an year? Sometimes we overthink on fuel consumption while neglecting other factors.

[hassanraza01935247]

Yearly something like 20 to 25k as this car is not the only one... i prefer to drive 2.0D mostly for the ride is just too good to miss especially on long routes... so considering tat it wont be much for this car 1.6 altis, i m planning to switch to from old shape 2014 Gli 1.3 manual. i hate the interior of this model, like really hate it as its like Datsun from the 80s or hiace interior of 80s... the only reason i am considering to shift to altis 1.6 manual is better power delivery at higher speeds as gli 1.3 m sucks dere and big time 2... its a shame u cant mess with riders when u cross 110 km... below tat it can manage... plus i need a car tat gives me decent average even if driven around 140 km.... gli simply has hard time keeping up around this bracket and really gulps fuel like crazy with the irritating screaming tat u feel pity and drop down the speed to give it a breather, not tat it matters but still lol... 6 F 1 R transmission in manual theoretically addresses most of high end speed concerns but how it is in real life is something i have no clue... how is it in city, where are the sweet spots in rpm zone, how are limits per gear for it and how power is delivered from it as a nice transmission is something worth having in a car... more control and better power delivery is wat i am looking for ...
Thanks alot for ur feedback....